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Post by Slack on Jun 10, 2011 13:31:14 GMT -5
Okay, dudes and dud-et's, Oh the scary things you find in VooDoo's basement lol! We found this so first Voodoo thought It was 30cal. I said no! So for some reason i had a gut feeling about, maybe MG42? I google imaged it! And its looks like it might be the case. Sev! Help me. Attachments:
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Post by Spec (C.H.I.) on Jun 10, 2011 13:47:57 GMT -5
That looks like 308 shell.
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Post by Ratchet on Jun 10, 2011 15:20:53 GMT -5
I need a clearer pic of the bullets and feeding belt.
Also, if this belt is even WWII era.
-EDIT- The MG42 fired a 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge. The length of the shell+bullet is 3.228 in.
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Post by Slack on Jun 10, 2011 22:46:54 GMT -5
Front! Part. Attachments:
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Post by Ratchet on Jun 10, 2011 23:02:41 GMT -5
By the looks of the belt I can say it isn't from the German arsenal during WW2. So it being an MG42 belt is out of the question. Also, if you can get a hold of a 5.56×45mm NATO round compare the lengths of each bullet. A bullet on that belt should be longer than the 5.56. -EDIT- Also, The belt pictured is a belt that came apart after the rounds were shot. So, this means that it very well could be .30 cal (I wouldn't know 100% though without looking at it) for all we know. Plus, the Germans didn't use this style of feeding belts. Theirs stayed together each after the bullets were fired. If you ever see an MG42 or MG34 fire look at the ejection port. You'll see the feeding belt come out. This is an MG42 feeding belt:
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Post by Slack on Jun 11, 2011 10:06:28 GMT -5
30 cal. was me and my buddy's first guess but then we weren't Sure. He wants to take it to the pawn shop and see what it is worth.
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Post by Ratchet on Sept 21, 2011 19:10:30 GMT -5
Have you gotten the belt looked at yet?
Also, were these demilled?
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Post by Miller on Sept 25, 2011 14:37:03 GMT -5
I would measure the width, if it is a .30 cal, it is .3 inches. The browning .30 cal is 30~06 or 7.62x63mm. Russian would be 7.62x54mm and german like ratchet said is 7.62x57mm.
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Post by Ratchet on Sept 25, 2011 15:06:57 GMT -5
I highly doubt it's anything German if it's WW2 era. My guess is that it's Browning.
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Post by Grizzly on Oct 9, 2011 16:58:19 GMT -5
Well, I'll tell you right now that it's not from World War Two. Machine guns used in the second world war used cloth belts with rounds slid into them, much like a cowboy's leather bandolier. Also, those are way too short to be 7.92mm Mauser, used in the MG42. Those are definitely .308, also known as 7.62x54mm NATO. I am absolutely sure that this is a belt for an M60, manufactured during the Vietnam War: It's the steel belt loops that give it away as well as the way they are attached. They are known as disintegrating belts, and came apart after fired. Here is a perfect example: Watch the shells ejecting out of his M60E3, you'll see the belt links ejecting and separating as well. There is also a fantastic shot of them hitting the floor, showing them separately. Also, the rounds are too long to be 7.62x39mm Soviet, which writes off the possibility of it being a PKM or RPD belt, Soviet designs that used the same technology. As for the pawn shop, I'm sorry to inform you that it's pretty much worthless. I love this stuff, but people just don't want to buy stuff like that unless they're gun collectors, and they won't pay more than $25 for it due to how many of those belts were produced. It's nowhere near a rarity. Your best bet would be to hold on to it and keep it as a cool little novelty (because it is super cool!), or if you have an airsoft M60, cut it off at a certain point and make it look as though it feeds into the gun from your magazine. It really helps with the authenticity, and saves you $30 on the same thing from Evike! Also, those are clearly not blanks. Blanks have an unmistakable, artificial-looking shape to them: However, all you'd have to do to make sure that they're demilitarized (dummy rounds) is use a knife to carve out the projectiles and make sure there is no powder in them. Once finished, just look up reloading to see how to put the projectiles securely back in place. This is all done to make sure they won't go off if the primer is accidentally struck. Thanks for posting this thread, it was fun for me, and have fun with the belt!
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Post by Ratchet on Oct 9, 2011 17:16:46 GMT -5
Metal belts were used in WW2.
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Post by Grizzly on Oct 9, 2011 17:24:45 GMT -5
Sorry, you're right. However, I've never seen them used on anything other than the MG34 and 42. They probably needed to be made of metal to handle the stress of the 42's high rate of fire. All other belts I've seen on American(m1917/1919), Commonwealth(Vickers), and Soviet(Russian Maxim) MGs are cloth, probably for ease of production and to save metal for other uses, but those other MGs have much lower firing rates than the German buzz-saws.
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Post by Slack on Oct 9, 2011 17:38:47 GMT -5
VooDoo said that his dad got these around the time of veitnam so very well could be an M60 thanks Guys,
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Post by Ratchet on Oct 9, 2011 17:41:28 GMT -5
The 1919 had metal linked belts too.
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Post by Grizzly on Oct 9, 2011 20:36:33 GMT -5
Those could be modern reproduction belts, though. You could be right, but I've never seen wartime production metal belts for M1919s. All the wartime photographs I've seen are of cloth belts. Like I said, you could probably be right, I just don't know for sure. Let's just agree to disagree.
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